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 Post subject: Re: Plans: 5/6/09
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:36 pm 
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First I feel sorry for you because of the quarrel you have internal - or with G or the hell whom.
I do not know you or any party involved.

I have no idea what is going on and to be honest the whole thing sounds very much like kindergarden to me but I am not criticizing anybody. I think that it just looks like that to most users.

Nevertheless - because I really like your mods - I will tell you something about copy right in a global and legal sense (has nothing to do with my own opinion. It is fully without evaluation). Maybe you will also understand why providers and Admins have to be very careful because they can be made responsible just for hosting etc. with huge charges. Maybe the following can also help you to make a deal? ;)

In general, copy right has the person who created a thing / mod.
If you want to use it you need the permission.
If you want to alter it you need permission.
If you alter it and the permission will be revoked you are not longer allowed to use the thing. In effect - if you were so unwise to act without rear cover - you can not use your own work because it depends on the revoked permission mod.
Therefore, if you get permission to alter a mod, make sure you have in written statement the content of your agreement, e.g. who is allowed to alter it, if the permission can be revoked, when can it be revoked, by whom, what does this shall imply for the alteration, etc.. Without this and a disagreement, you can use ONLY what you INVENTED, not what you have altered. Ergo your work is for waste.
Of course you can every time alter your work in that way that it will be independent - like Linux from Windows.

Hope I could enlightened you a little bit. Also I am sad that you have to experience these.


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 Post subject: Re: Plans: 5/6/09
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:37 pm 
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hm, wen working on others work we all should be more careful in the futuer i guess?

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 Post subject: Re: Plans: 5/6/09
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:34 am 
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Sadly, yes.

Also it is really a poor thing if you created a mod, gave then permission to someone to alter it without limitations and after the other party has spent a lot of time and energy on said mod altering it, revoking the permission. Then the author should never have given permission at all.

Only if you have make such alteration that in fact it has more or less nothing more to do with the old mod, than the copy right is with you, because it is considered a new mod. But this decision would have to be made by a third party, usually in the legal way. Look at all the court cases were fights over software rights are involved (Source Code) :(

Also I can understand that an author wants to have credit for and a say in his work. So it is also wrong by the other party if the author gives permission for altering with limitations and the limitations were violated. There the author is revoking the permission rightly. See also all the court cases in which especially big companies more or less stealing or duping the authors work away from them, taking all the credit and the money involved. :evil:

So you have to look and think about both sides and try to find a compromise.

In my opinion - here - it is nevertheless poor character because no money is involved and I think you could see the parties on a friendly bases like buddy's.
In the Oblivion mod community you are doing the work for fun, also teamwork and you are doing it usually to share it with others which have the same affection for Oblivion like you have. So everything should be more loosen up and there should be more considerations on both sides.


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